Rush stuff from 1hr09 :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQognzPVOIo
Interesting watch but that record he enthuses about making with them, Snakes and Arrows is just a terrible record by anyone's standards. For that reason I've always been a bit sceptical about Raskulinecz.
Quote from: Slim on September 18, 2025, 08:06:40 PMInteresting watch but that record he enthuses about making with them, Snakes and Arrows is just a terrible record by anyone's standards. For that reason I've always been a bit sceptical about Raskulinecz.
He did Clockwork Angels as well.
Quote from: Thenop on September 18, 2025, 08:32:55 PMQuote from: Slim on September 18, 2025, 08:06:40 PMInteresting watch but that record he enthuses about making with them, Snakes and Arrows is just a terrible record by anyone's standards. For that reason I've always been a bit sceptical about Raskulinecz.
He did Clockwork Angels as well.
Looking back I think there's a bit of a too romantic notion about Clockwork Angels, which I think might stem from the suspicion at the time that it might be their last, which turned out to be the case. I still like it but these days I find it all to be a bit frantic as if they tried too hard to recapture something. I think I'd have been happier with a kind of Signals Mk2 sign off. Lots of keyboards and fine aged mellow vocals.
Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on September 18, 2025, 08:44:04 PMQuote from: Thenop on September 18, 2025, 08:32:55 PMQuote from: Slim on September 18, 2025, 08:06:40 PMInteresting watch but that record he enthuses about making with them, Snakes and Arrows is just a terrible record by anyone's standards. For that reason I've always been a bit sceptical about Raskulinecz.
He did Clockwork Angels as well.
Looking back I think there's a bit of a too romantic notion about Clockwork Angels, which I think might stem from the suspicion at the time that it might be their last, which turned out to be the case. I still like it but these days I find it all to be a bit frantic as if they tried too hard to recapture something. I think I'd have been happier with a kind of Signals Mk2 sign off. Lots of keyboards and fine aged mellow vocals.
That was never going to happen. I am glad it has guitars all over the place and really like the album.
I do really like Clockwork Angels.
By the way thanks for dropping in
@Ace2112, good to see you.
Quote from: Thenop on September 18, 2025, 08:51:47 PMQuote from: The Picnic Wasp on September 18, 2025, 08:44:04 PMQuote from: Thenop on September 18, 2025, 08:32:55 PMQuote from: Slim on September 18, 2025, 08:06:40 PMInteresting watch but that record he enthuses about making with them, Snakes and Arrows is just a terrible record by anyone's standards. For that reason I've always been a bit sceptical about Raskulinecz.
Quote from: Thenop on September 18, 2025, 08:51:47 PMQuote from: The Picnic Wasp on September 18, 2025, 08:44:04 PMQuote from: Thenop on September 18, 2025, 08:32:55 PMQuote from: Slim on September 18, 2025, 08:06:40 PMInteresting watch but that record he enthuses about making with them, Snakes and Arrows is just a terrible record by anyone's standards. For that reason I've always been a bit sceptical about Raskulinecz.
He did Clockwork Angels as well.
Looking back I think there's a bit of a too romantic notion about Clockwork Angels, which I think might stem from the suspicion at the time that it might be their last, which turned out to be the case. I still like it but these days I find it all to be a bit frantic as if they tried too hard to recapture something. I think I'd have been happier with a kind of Signals Mk2 sign off. Lots of keyboards and fine aged mellow vocals.
That was never going to happen. I am glad it has guitars all over the place and really like the album.
He did Clockwork Angels as well.
Looking back I think there's a bit of a too romantic notion about Clockwork Angels, which I think might stem from the suspicion at the time that it might be their last, which turned out to be the case. I still like it but these days I find it all to be a bit frantic as if they tried too hard to recapture something. I think I'd have been happier with a kind of Signals Mk2 sign off. Lots of keyboards and fine aged mellow vocals.
That was never going to happen. I am glad it has guitars all over the place and really like the album.
I'm still hoping it might. A drum machine would be perfectly acceptable to me.
Quote from: Slim on September 18, 2025, 09:40:11 PMI do really like Clockwork Angels.
By the way thanks for dropping in @Ace2112, good to see you.
Yes, and thanks for the time check on the very long interview.
I sometimes forget just how brilliant Far Cry is.
There's too much filler on S&A.
CA is a tremendous and fitting statement on which to sign off. Best album since HYF.
Great to see you on the board Ace2112. 8)
Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on September 18, 2025, 09:56:13 PMI'm still hoping it might. A drum machine would be perfectly acceptable to me.
Go wash your fingers with soap after typing such filth. There is no excuse, no greater defamation to the memory of Neil than to ever work with a drum machine.
Every instrument, amp, pickup, effects pedal is a machine. Neil used electronics too, albeit sparingly. One minute everyone's in love with AI, next we're burning our 80s records. This poor fool's head can't keep up.
I'd also suggest that working with another drummer would be a more insensitive decision with regards to Neil's memory and legacy.
Anyway, not going to happen, so once my fingers are duly sanitised as suggested I'll maybe just reduce my sacrilegious tapping.
Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on September 19, 2025, 10:45:02 AMEvery instrument, amp, pickup, effects pedal is a machine. Neil used electronics too, albeit sparingly. One minute everyone's in love with AI, next we're burning our 80s records. This poor fool's head can't keep up.
I'd also suggest that working with another drummer would be a more insensitive decision with regards to Neil's memory and legacy.
Anyway, not going to happen, so once my fingers are duly sanitised as suggested I'll maybe just reduce my sacrilegious tapping.
I'd say a Hail Mary for you if I had any sway in that matter. I don't, so let's put out this dimlit fire with some holy water and move on.
Point mostly for me is the process of creation, not the tool used. Neil used his Simmons pads, but the compositions were his own. And AI, lovely for dancing around with old photos and complicated calculus, is not suitable for anything even remotely creative.
On topic: I have nolt watched the Raswhatowicz' interview yet. So I need to start there.
Quote from: Slim on September 18, 2025, 09:40:11 PMI do really like Clockwork Angels.
By the way thanks for dropping in @Ace2112, good to see you.
Cheers Slim, I check in every now and again :)
And say what you like about Snakes and Arrows, it was still an upswing from it's predecessor! With you on Clockwork though, really enjoyed that one and still have a couple of tracks in the rotation from it (The Wreckers has been played a fair bit recently).
The trouble with the last three albums was they were all too long.. cut them all down to 8 songs then they would have been half decent OMO.. and the closing track on CA The Garden was just awful twee AOR tosh.. a dismal end to the album
Quote from: Fishy on September 20, 2025, 02:51:58 PMThe trouble with the last three albums was they were all too long.. cut them all down to 8 songs then they would have been half decent OMO.. and the closing track on CA The Garden was just awful twee AOR tosh.. a dismal end to the album
For me, that issue began with Roll The Bones.
Quote from: David L on September 20, 2025, 06:40:18 PMQuote from: Fishy on September 20, 2025, 02:51:58 PMThe trouble with the last three albums was they were all too long.. cut them all down to 8 songs then they would have been half decent OMO.. and the closing track on CA The Garden was just awful twee AOR tosh.. a dismal end to the album
For me, that issue began with Roll The Bones.
Surely
Hold Your Fire .. those last two tracks are stinkers.
Yeah their closing tracks were always a bit hit n miss..
So starting at 2112 for arguments sake
Somthing f Nothing.. acceptable
Cygnus.. plod fest
LVS.. spot on
Natural Science .. spot on
Vital Signs.. acceptable.. bit of a pointer in the direction they were going
Countdown.. rubbish
Btwheels.. spot on
Mystic Rhythms.. rubbish
High Water.. mm not sure
Available light.. pretty good
Bet your life.. I like it.. I like the jangly guitar
Everyday glory .. it's ok
Carve away the stone..yep acceptable
Out of the cradle .. yep I like that one
We hold on.. yep another good one
The garden.. abomination.. atrocious
Seen the interview now. The geek-o-meter peaks well over 10, which I like. He really is a fan, and a great engineer and producer. He's one of the more modern guys, I have heard plenty of his productions to say that, but in a way that is also true to the older recordings. He wants to bring forward what the bands' strenghts' are, not what he wants necessarily. But like most modern day producers, his productions sound pretty 'thick' and compressed. Sounds great on the radio, and in the studio. Not always so great on a nice stereo though, there's not a lot of room to breathe. Having said that, CA sounds fantastic.
Quote from: Thenop on September 23, 2025, 04:16:34 PMSeen the interview now. The geek-o-meter peaks well over 10, which I like. He really is a fan, and a great engineer and producer. He's one of the more modern guys, I have heard plenty of his productions to say that, but in a way that is also true to the older recordings. He wants to bring forward what the bands' strenghts' are, not what he wants necessarily. But like most modern day producers, his productions sound pretty 'thick' and compressed. Sounds great on the radio, and in the studio. Not always so great on a nice stereo though, there's not a lot of room to breathe. Having said that, CA sounds fantastic.
I think you're description of his characteristic production is also present on CA - compressed and lacking in dynamics. And that's my opinion when played on a nice stereo.