No doubt a drop in the ocean for £fizer:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13397133/Pfizer-agrees-settle-10-000-lawsuits-accusing-pharma-giant-hiding-cancer-risks-heartburn-drug-Zantac.html
Ozempic anyone? Not only can you be skinny but you can prevent a heart attack. Uncanny coincidence, just as heart issues on the increase. What side-effects? ;)
In three of the four quarters of 2023, the Danish company delivered the sharpest revenue increase among biopharma's top 25 companies ranked by market capitalization. For the full year, Novo delivered a 31% increase in sales, reaching 232 billion Danish kroner ($33.7 billion).
;D
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/gsk-pay-1-7bn-settle-180940369.html?guccounter=1
Government-sanctioned fat-loss jabs contributed to woman's death. How unsurprising
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6jg6nw2zeo#:~:text=The%20death%20of%20a%20nurse,her%20death%20on%204%20September.
But how many has it saved by reducing death by being overweight?
Quote from: Nick on November 09, 2024, 03:01:51 AMBut how many has it saved by reducing death by being overweight?
Not as many as could be saved by eating less and moving more
That involves a painful process. Surely a short cut is more likely to reap the benefits faster for those not inclined to put the long slog work in?
Quote from: Nick on November 09, 2024, 10:12:37 AMThat involves a painful process. Surely a short cut is more likely to reap the benefits faster for those not inclined to put the long slog work in?
Quite possibly a
dangerous short cut :-\
I'm on both sides of the fence on this. Definitely, I agree that people ought to be able to avoid becoming obese without taking drugs. On the other hand, since in some cases apparently they can't, I can't blame the drug companies for manufacturing products to help them, and any drug can have side effects.
Quote from: David L on November 09, 2024, 10:35:46 AMQuote from: Nick on November 09, 2024, 10:12:37 AMThat involves a painful process. Surely a short cut is more likely to reap the benefits faster for those not inclined to put the long slog work in?
Quite possibly a dangerous short cut :-\
Let's see how the stats pan out over time
Quote from: Nick on November 09, 2024, 12:10:59 PMQuote from: David L on November 09, 2024, 10:35:46 AMQuote from: Nick on November 09, 2024, 10:12:37 AMThat involves a painful process. Surely a short cut is more likely to reap the benefits faster for those not inclined to put the long slog work in?
Quite possibly a dangerous short cut :-\
Let's see how the stats pan out over time
That sounds sensible but are the stats being ignored nowadays? The following paper discusses the threshold at which pharma products have been withdrawn due to causing deaths:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/09246479241292008
Quote from: David L on November 10, 2024, 12:34:47 AMQuote from: Nick on November 09, 2024, 12:10:59 PMQuote from: David L on November 09, 2024, 10:35:46 AMQuote from: Nick on November 09, 2024, 10:12:37 AMThat involves a painful process. Surely a short cut is more likely to reap the benefits faster for those not inclined to put the long slog work in?
Quite possibly a dangerous short cut :-\
Let's see how the stats pan out over time
That sounds sensible but are the stats being ignored nowadays? The following paper discusses the threshold at which pharma products have been withdrawn due to causing deaths:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/09246479241292008
That's been written by an anti-vaxxer; it's not a credible journal. Funnily enough only on Friday I was watching a video on YouTube which referred to dodgy journals and papers turning up on sites like these, by the thousand.
Clues:
"In our current and remarkable period of medical history, excess mortality figures are high in many countries. Yet these statistics receive limited attention, often ignored or dismissed by mainstream news outlets. This excess mortality may include adverse effects caused by novel pharmaceutical agents that use gene-code technology."
"Strong science, characterised by open mindedness, objectivity, curiosity and freedom of debate, can be corrupted by capitalist opportunism, deception, political ideology and censorship."
And generally it pushes the message that the vaccines are the cause of excess mortality figures, which has been debunked many times. Please do check sources for disinformation before posting.
Ironically I was trying to open the site to check it's scientific validity but as I am in China it's censored! The good news is BTW is uncensored.
Quote from: Slim on November 10, 2024, 01:15:09 AMQuote from: David L on November 10, 2024, 12:34:47 AMQuote from: Nick on November 09, 2024, 12:10:59 PMQuote from: David L on November 09, 2024, 10:35:46 AMQuote from: Nick on November 09, 2024, 10:12:37 AMThat involves a painful process. Surely a short cut is more likely to reap the benefits faster for those not inclined to put the long slog work in?
Quite possibly a dangerous short cut :-\
Let's see how the stats pan out over time
That sounds sensible but are the stats being ignored nowadays? The following paper discusses the threshold at which pharma products have been withdrawn due to causing deaths:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/09246479241292008
That's been written by an anti-vaxxer; it's not a credible journal. Funnily enough only on Friday I was watching a video on YouTube which referred to dodgy journals and papers turning up on sites like these, by the thousand.
Clues:
"In our current and remarkable period of medical history, excess mortality figures are high in many countries. Yet these statistics receive limited attention, often ignored or dismissed by mainstream news outlets. This excess mortality may include adverse effects caused by novel pharmaceutical agents that use gene-code technology."
"Strong science, characterised by open mindedness, objectivity, curiosity and freedom of debate, can be corrupted by capitalist opportunism, deception, political ideology and censorship."
And generally it pushes the message that the vaccines are the cause of excess mortality figures, which has been debunked many times. Please do check sources for disinformation before posting.
Is the data presented incorrect?
Quote from: David L on November 10, 2024, 09:00:16 AMIs the data presented incorrect?
Probably, but the interpretation certainly is.
:D
"I feel great but I was hoping to see the results!" ;D
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14380795/ozempic-patients-blind-doctors-effect.html?ito=email_share_article-bottom
Quote from: Nick on November 09, 2024, 12:10:59 PMQuote from: David L on November 09, 2024, 10:35:46 AMQuote from: Nick on November 09, 2024, 10:12:37 AMThat involves a painful process. Surely a short cut is more likely to reap the benefits faster for those not inclined to put the long slog work in?
Quite possibly a dangerous short cut :-\
Let's see how the stats pan out over time
Regulator (MHRA) say it is unknown whether weight-loss jabs cause harm to unborn babies. They warn jabs should not be used during pregnancy, whilst trying to get pregnant or whilst breast feedind.
Dr Alison Cave, chief safety officer at the MHRA, said there was evidence from animal studies "that these medicines may harm the unborn baby".
"But we don't know whether we have the same effects in humans, so much more data is needed to determine that."
Women of child-bearing age are usually not included in clinical trials, which is why there is a lack of safety information for them.
"If you are taking this medicine and you are pregnant, you should talk to your doctor about stopping the medicine as soon as possible," Dr Cave said.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0gp2pl7zwo
Another product rushed onto the market for profit
Clinical trials of puberty blockers for children halted after new concerns from the regulator.
Quote from: David L on February 20, 2026, 11:08:27 PMClinical trials of puberty blockers for children halted after new concerns from the regulator.
Interested to see this, but I did a bit of digging - the puberty blocking drugs were developed (and licenced) for conditions that have nothing to do with gender dysphoria, like premature puberty, hormone-sensitive cancers and endometriosis. Wasn't the pharmaceutical companies' idea to use them on trans kids. It's a practice that originated among clinicians in the Netherlands apparently.