More apocalyptic news and panic porn reporting about wildfires; direct quote from ITV News: "As Southern Europe burns..".
FFS. No. >:(
Isolated parts of Rhodes have seen fires, yes, and tour operators have evacuated holidaymakers as a precaution - not because they're in any immediate danger as heavily implied by MSM news reports. Some of the evacuees have had their holiday curtailed, but many others have gone back to their resorts, as they have been declared safe by the Greek authorities.
In the south east of the island, Pefkos (where we had a wonderful holiday last year), and its main street's bars and restaurants has seen normal, bustling activity over the last couple of nights.
But all these pertinent facts are conveniently missing from the MSM's hysterical takes, which would have you think the infernal pits of Hades are engulfing the Dodecanese. ::)
Quote from: Matt2112 on July 24, 2023, 10:44:43 PMMore apocalyptic news and panic porn reporting about wildfires; direct quote from ITV News: "As Southern Europe burns..".
FFS. No. >:(
Isolated parts of Rhodes have seen fires, yes, and tour operators have evacuated holidaymakers as a precaution - not because they're in any immediate danger as heavily implied by MSM news reports. Some of the evacuees have had their holiday curtailed, but many others have gone back to their resorts, as they have been declared safe by the Greek authorities.
In the south east of the island, Pefkos (where we had a wonderful holiday last year), and its main street's bars and restaurants has seen normal, bustling activity over the last couple of nights.
But all these pertinent facts are conveniently missing from the MSM's hysterical takes, which would have you think the infernal pits of Hades are engulfing the Dodecanese. ::)
"Arson". Wouldn't be at all surprised if fires were set by fire service employees - lots of corruption in that part of the world.
This is a gift for those who want you to junk your gas boiler and buy an electric car 😡
Fire in Corfu is suspected arson - another small point being overlooked in many reports.
So out of the mainland and 4,000 islands there is a problem with wildfires in three areas - yet according to BBC Radio Four's Today programme this morning fires are "ravaging across Greece". ::)
Oh, and I see the deranged claims of Athens hitting 60 degrees Celsius (Sky News) have quietly fallen by the wayside.
Global warming is never, in itself, a direct cause of a fire as far as I'm aware. The problem is that the increase in temperatures that man-made climate change has brought about make wildfires more likely.
Quote from: Slim on July 25, 2023, 08:52:23 AMGlobal warming is never, in itself, a direct cause of a fire as far as I'm aware. The problem is that the increase in temperatures that man-made climate change has brought about make wildfires more likely.
Indeed - a relative nuance that's getting almost completely lost in the default catastrophism of MSM rolling news broadcasting.
I usually understand your points very clearly, Matt, even when I perhaps don't fully align with your opinions, but on this occasion I don't really get your take on this. Do you think the media are being unnecessarily harsh on the tourist industry? I don't know whether or not I'll ever make a 'plane journey in the future, but it must surely be an area where activity must be curbed. Cars, heating systems, appliances etc all seem to be arguably necessary evils in the modern world but aviation's use of fossil fuel must be an area which can be reduced substantially and probably deservedly.
Just a chaser on the above. Income tax should carry a climate levy. Until you've contributed for ten years, your passport should not qualify for air travel. Bus, train or ferries until your contribution has assisted scientific advances to some extent.
Edit: Children are exempt of course.
Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on July 25, 2023, 01:09:42 PMJust a chaser on the above. Income tax should carry a climate levy. Until you've contributed for ten years, your passport should not qualify for air travel. Bus, train or ferries until your contribution has assisted scientific advances to some extent.
Edit: Children are exempt of course.
Get back in your nest
OK I'm hoping no-one minds, but - there's nothing wrong with discussing the above in the time-honoured Grumpy thread and I don't propose to move them because they're misplaced, but because I think we ought to have a climate change thread - and the last few posts here look like an excellent start.
My view briefly is that the media are indeed becoming sensationalist about this. The new weather maps showing areas of land in glowing black and red like an overdone pizza are an excellent example of this.
The trouble with this is that it's obvious nonsense to many, and thefore it lends a wholly undeserved and illusory credibility to cranks like Neil Oliver who has now gone on record as saying that "a rising volume of CO2 in the atmosphere is a consequence of a warming planet, not the cause of one" - which is absolute, weapons-grade bollocks.
Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on July 25, 2023, 01:09:42 PMJust a chaser on the above. Income tax should carry a climate levy. Until you've contributed for ten years, your passport should not qualify for air travel. Bus, train or ferries until your contribution has assisted scientific advances to some extent.
Edit: Children are exempt of course.
I think that would be overly authoritarian, but I agree that doing nothing is not an option.
The real problem is that any measures like the above that we take here amount to little more than throwing the deckchairs over the side of the Titanic to try to prevent it from sinking. The Chinese are planning to build hundreds of new coal-fired power stations even now.
https://energyandcleanair.org/publication/china-permits-two-new-coal-power-plants-per-week-in-2022/
Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on July 25, 2023, 12:30:19 PMI usually understand your points very clearly, Matt, even when I perhaps don't fully align with your opinions, but on this occasion I don't really get your take on this. Do you think the media are being unnecessarily harsh on the tourist industry?
No, not at all. 🙂 All I'm saying is that the broadcast coverage seems far less about giving a true and fair reflection of folks' actual experience on the ground, and much more about creating an almost Hollywood-style disaster movie narrative to keep people stuck to their channel.
It strikes me that if you're going to report responsibly about legitimate concerns over climate change, then sensationalising and embellishing the language used, whether by accident or design, isn't a great way to go about it; audiences aren't stupid - I hope.
Quote from: David L on July 25, 2023, 01:16:45 PMQuote from: The Picnic Wasp on July 25, 2023, 01:09:42 PMJust a chaser on the above. Income tax should carry a climate levy. Until you've contributed for ten years, your passport should not qualify for air travel. Bus, train or ferries until your contribution has assisted scientific advances to some extent.
Edit: Children are exempt of course.
Get back in your nest
Not an expression I'm aware of I'm afraid. What does it mean?
I'd also like to know .. I really do want to discourage personal attacks so I'd appreciate some clarification. Thanks.
Quote from: Matt2112 on July 25, 2023, 03:05:11 PMQuote from: The Picnic Wasp on July 25, 2023, 12:30:19 PMI usually understand your points very clearly, Matt, even when I perhaps don't fully align with your opinions, but on this occasion I don't really get your take on this. Do you think the media are being unnecessarily harsh on the tourist industry?
No, not at all. 🙂 All I'm saying is that the broadcast coverage seems far less about giving a true and fair reflection of folks' actual experience on the ground, and much more about creating an almost Hollywood-style disaster movie narrative to keep people stuck to their channel.
It strikes me that if you're going to report responsibly about legitimate concerns over climate change, then sensationalising and embellishing the language used, whether by accident or design, isn't a great way to go about it; audiences aren't stupid - I hope.
They might not all be stupid, but I'm guessing a majority won't listen unless it is sensationalised, as a frightening percentage are totally selfish and don't care. Even evidently about their children, of which I have none. Take my neighbours (please). Two massive 4x4s, large garden but no clothes line and the tumble dryer drones incessantly. Plastic lawns, regular holiday and business flights, and yes, three children. I sometimes feel selfish owning a car but my mileage is minuscule and I frequently shop using my bike which is basically a glorified trolley given the size of the panniers. Last winter I mostly burned logs for heat which is supposedly carbon neutral although I don't quite see how the figures stack up. I think ironically my generation and the very young get it, but there's a big middle slice of the population who aren't prepared to listen and would prefer to like YouTube videos of peaceful protestors being arrested or assaulted.
Quote from: David L on July 25, 2023, 01:16:45 PMQuote from: The Picnic Wasp on July 25, 2023, 01:09:42 PMJust a chaser on the above. Income tax should carry a climate levy. Until you've contributed for ten years, your passport should not qualify for air travel. Bus, train or ferries until your contribution has assisted scientific advances to some extent.
Edit: Children are exempt of course.
Get back in your nest
Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on July 25, 2023, 03:18:19 PMQuote from: David L on July 25, 2023, 01:16:45 PMQuote from: The Picnic Wasp on July 25, 2023, 01:09:42 PMJust a chaser on the above. Income tax should carry a climate levy. Until you've contributed for ten years, your passport should not qualify for air travel. Bus, train or ferries until your contribution has assisted scientific advances to some extent.
Edit: Children are exempt of course.
Get back in your nest
Not an expression I'm aware of I'm afraid. What does it mean?
Duh! I think it's a wasp joke. Stupid username I know.😁 And I mention my bike a few posts later.😂
Quote from: Slim on July 25, 2023, 03:30:39 PMI'd also like to know .. I really do want to discourage personal attacks so I'd appreciate some clarification. Thanks.
I think I just got the joke.😂
Quote from: Slim on July 25, 2023, 03:30:39 PMI'd also like to know .. I really do want to discourage personal attacks so I'd appreciate some clarification. Thanks.
I profoundly disagree with Mr Wasp's suggested curtailment of civil liberties. It was a tongue'in-cheek comment - no malice intended ;D
Quote from: David L on July 25, 2023, 05:11:36 PMQuote from: Slim on July 25, 2023, 03:30:39 PMI'd also like to know .. I really do want to discourage personal attacks so I'd appreciate some clarification. Thanks.
I profoundly disagree with Mr Wasp's suggested curtailment of civil liberties. It was a tongue'in-cheek comment - no malice intended ;D
Aww! So it wasn't a wasps' nest joke making my bike comment look a bit daft as well. Boo! I'm humiliated. Get him banned, James.😂😉
Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on July 25, 2023, 05:33:13 PMAww! So it wasn't a wasps' nest joke making my bike comment look a bit daft as well. Boo! I'm humiliated. Get him banned, James.😂😉
Well, it
was a wasps' nest joke
I didn't think I had been really hung up on climate change for very long, but I remembered I wrote something I posted on a friend's poetry site a while back. Turns out it was 2008 so I must have been more concerned than I can remember back then. It was probably slaughtered for being drink-fuelled, late night pretentious rubbish at the time so I leave myself wide open, thus.
Climate Change 1/11/2008
Prog rock bees decelerated by an abrasive atmosphere
Air once silken beats them half to death
In a gatefold Roger Dean travesty
A carnage of our hunter gatherer masters
Gather above to silhouette and mock our dying souls
Wings beating in lower register
Where once loved by humming schoolyard mimics
A searing sunblessed English orchard orchestration
Is now a deformed kazoo chant at asthmatic lips
Albeit a learned geriatric prophet's
(I'm glad I've no kids, I can rest in the sod)
Hot bees let us soothe you now
As you lie on the hallowed ground
Bending horizon, distorted at dawn
Chimneys beyond fill unfillable space
Ant like cars zip shiny harmless like beetles
If only though and not blow suck a trillion dead trees
From an eon ago and not coax and then roll
That dung from our benefactors
To where it may smile at the Earth and lie and be one again
So the cold and the hot once predictable allies
Muscle and wrestle like invincible foes
Damning the south with no reconcile
Blowtorch the north
Pines Larch Oak Birch its guile
A liquid submission no barrier could stand
No beaver evolved this flow could command
(And so this prayer)
Oh children of our future wilderness
May a handful of you thrive on a healing soil
10,000 years from now
And as you stare on dusted peaks afar
May our sadness echo still
And reach forgiving ears
Quote from: Slim on July 25, 2023, 08:52:23 AMGlobal warming is never, in itself, a direct cause of a fire as far as I'm aware. The problem is that the increase in temperatures that man-made climate change has brought about make wildfires more likely.
And in the Mediterranean summers are dry come what may under the current post ice-age climatic regime. This year may be hotter, but in itself that doesn't have to mean wild fires are more likely. The height of the tourist season might be a wild fire trigger, more people doing stupid things.
Apparently, the formidably astute, insightful ladies of Loose Women today claimed that Lindos (where we spent a tremendous day last year) is the "epicentre" of the fires.
It's actually one of the locations where folk are being taken to as a precaution and one of the safest places on the island of Rhodes.
Stay tuned for more nuggets of MSM misinformation tomorrow. ::)
Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on July 25, 2023, 03:32:30 PMI think ironically my generation and the very young get it, but there's a big middle slice of the population who aren't prepared to listen and would prefer to like YouTube videos of peaceful protestors being arrested or assaulted.
Those entitled, selfish protestors have caused misery. They haven't prevented one cubic millimetre of CO2 being released into the atmosphere and they deserve all of the suffering and grief they receive in return, and more.
Quote from: Slim on July 25, 2023, 11:07:33 PMQuote from: The Picnic Wasp on July 25, 2023, 03:32:30 PMI think ironically my generation and the very young get it, but there's a big middle slice of the population who aren't prepared to listen and would prefer to like YouTube videos of peaceful protestors being arrested or assaulted.
Those entitled, selfish protestors have caused misery. They haven't prevented one cubic millimetre of CO2 being released into the atmosphere and they deserve all of the suffering and grief they receive in return, and more.
I hope we all live long enough to see that this is wrong. History will look very kindly upon them. Their actions (in general) compared compared to ours', wow. Please don't mention the confetti woman. There's always the bandwagoners.
Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on July 26, 2023, 11:09:55 AMI hope we all live long enough to see that this is wrong. History will look very kindly upon them. Their actions (in general) compared compared to ours', wow. Please don't mention the confetti woman. There's always the bandwagoners.
I think you probably need to take your TV to the local recycling centre
;)
Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on July 26, 2023, 11:09:55 AMI hope we all live long enough to see that this is wrong. History will look very kindly upon them. Their actions (in general) compared compared to ours', wow. Please don't mention the confetti woman. There's always the bandwagoners.
A history that looked kindly on them would be false. What have they done except to cause grief and misery (and by the way, a bit more global warming)?
We must have the rule of law, not policy provoked by selfish, ignorant scumbags preventing mothers from taking their babies to hospital. Our democracy doesn't operate on the basis of demands made by small minorities backed by threats.
If that starts to work, how will you feel when (say) gangs of skinheads demand to have migrants shackled and deported in transport planes in return for allowing ambulances to go about their usual business?
Quote from: David L on July 26, 2023, 11:24:27 AMQuote from: The Picnic Wasp on July 26, 2023, 11:09:55 AMI hope we all live long enough to see that this is wrong. History will look very kindly upon them. Their actions (in general) compared compared to ours', wow. Please don't mention the confetti woman. There's always the bandwagoners.
I think you probably need to take your TV to the local recycling centre
;)
Again, too subtle for me. Give me a couple of hours.
Quote from: Slim on July 26, 2023, 11:47:27 AMQuote from: The Picnic Wasp on July 26, 2023, 11:09:55 AMI hope we all live long enough to see that this is wrong. History will look very kindly upon them. Their actions (in general) compared compared to ours', wow. Please don't mention the confetti woman. There's always the bandwagoners.
A history that looked kindly on them would be false. What have they done except to cause grief and misery (and by the way, a bit more global warming)?
We must have the rule of law, not policy provoked by selfish, ignorant scumbags preventing mothers from taking their babies to hospital. Our democracy doesn't operate on the basis of demands made by small minorities backed by threats.
If that starts to work, how will you feel when (say) gangs of skinheads demand to have migrants shackled and deported in transport planes in return for allowing ambulances to go about their usual business?
Possibly a good plot line for a dystopian fiction novel, but not really an argument that I can compute. Mind you, I haven't figured out the TV quip yet either.
Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on July 26, 2023, 12:33:51 PMPossibly a good plot line for a dystopian fiction novel, but not really an argument that I can compute. Mind you, I haven't figured out the TV quip yet either.
Together with your (perviously expressed) anxiety over contracting Covid-19, your opinion on the 'Climate Crisis' indicates, to me, you are probably paying too much attention to MSM.
Leave the TV off 😉
Quote from: David L on July 26, 2023, 01:32:18 PMQuote from: The Picnic Wasp on July 26, 2023, 12:33:51 PMPossibly a good plot line for a dystopian fiction novel, but not really an argument that I can compute. Mind you, I haven't figured out the TV quip yet either.
Together with your (perviously expressed) anxiety over contracting Covid-19, your opinion on the 'Climate Crisis' indicates, to me, you are probably paying too much attention to MSM.
Leave the TV off 😉
Like this activity, I use TV in short bursts for eye comfort reasons. My usual TV diet is along the lines of The Big Bang Theory or Cheers re-runs. I don't think I'm in any danger of being radicalised by the BBC anytime soon. If you live in the west of Scotland and have an interest in football, you quickly realise just how trustworthy BBC and other MSM is. It keeps me quite focused and alert and probably slightly paranoid about their activities. As for COVID, I tend to consume all I can find, probably as a hangover to being made vulnerable by IV steroids prior to lockdown. That takes a while to fade.
Oh dear, if true, this is unlikely to help EV sales.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/world-news/one-dead-in-cargo-ship-fire-electric-car-suspected-source-dutch-coastguard/amp_articleshow/102130440.cms
I think the 2030 ban on diesel/petrol cars is now a pipe-dream
I saw that myself a few minutes ago. Will take quite a few electric car journeys to offset the contribution to CO2 emissions that a ship with nearly 3,000 vehicles on board causes when it catches fire due to a battery fault.
Quote from: Slim on July 26, 2023, 02:23:33 PMI saw that myself a few minutes ago. Will take quite a few electric car journeys to offset the contribution to CO2 emissions that a ship with nearly 3,000 vehicles on board causes when it catches fire due to a battery fault.
Indeed. Will be interesting to see if/how the BBC reports this tonight
;D
Quote from: David L on July 26, 2023, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Slim on July 26, 2023, 02:23:33 PMI saw that myself a few minutes ago. Will take quite a few electric car journeys to offset the contribution to CO2 emissions that a ship with nearly 3,000 vehicles on board causes when it catches fire due to a battery fault.
Indeed. Will be interesting to see if/how the BBC reports this tonight
;D
Dutch TV all over this of course, happening right on our shores. The E car as a cause was mentioned as one of any possible causes. I bigger issue would be (in my opninion) fire safety in general on vessels such as these and the apparent difficulty getting off the vessel. People onboard were panicking, which is unfortunate and most of all: strange.
Clearly staff was not trained properly and life saving measures were not in order otherwise this could have been prevented. Not the fire, the personal injuries though.
Time will tell the actual cause of the fire, but yes batteries in general tend to be a source of ignition. Over here there's been a lot of talk about what we call 'scootmobiles'. Electrical carts for the elderly and handicapped. People often charge them indoors, leading to housefires when they ignite.
Let's what our daily news repots on it today, although they tend to be quite mild and factual. Depending on which broadcaster of course...
Quote from: David L on July 26, 2023, 02:04:17 PMOh dear, if true, this is unlikely to help EV sales.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/world-news/one-dead-in-cargo-ship-fire-electric-car-suspected-source-dutch-coastguard/amp_articleshow/102130440.cms
I think the 2030 ban on diesel/petrol cars is now a pipe-dream
Bicycles - pedal powered of course - now that's the answer :)
Don't do flying, 'cos flying is bad, m'kay
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/jetting-off-to-the-sun-the-adverts-are-selling-you-a-ticket-to-climate-disaster/ar-AA1epTBm?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=debffbdf70554c749f2ab616766bff55&ei=35
My emphasis:
Quoteour chosen means of transport, flying, incrementally wrecks the climates, prospects and lives of the places being flown to.
Bizarre take.
Not flying wrecks the prospects and lives of the places being flown to - countless folk trying make a living in tourist destinations depend on the travel and tourism industry to keep them from falling into poverty. Whatever happened to the"Make Poverty History" narrative of the finger-wagging far left? It's been supplanted by the Current Thing.
It dawns on me that I shouldn't really post another opinion on this, being one of the culprits from a generation which helped to cause it. Trips abroad were a rare treat for me as I wasn't financially comfortable in my younger days, but at least I had the blissful comfort of ignorance to allow me to fully enjoy those Ibiza days and the very odd stag trip. Modern MSM stinks. Imagine spelling mistakes in BBC captions forty years ago. Heads would have rolled. I loved flying, mostly as I was a plane fanatic and the whole airport, flying part was my holiday highlight. But they're mostly two-engined planet hating monsters now. Not much different from the alien craft in War Of The Worlds. I think if I was younger a career in MSM might have suited me. You don't have to be any good. Anything further that I might offer the younger generations would be entirely patronising.
Aviation accounts for about 2.5% of global CO2 emissions which is quite a lot, but (I don't have the figures) at a guess a lot smaller than power generation and manufacturing.
What proportion of that figure is caused by passenger travel though? When I cycle past East Midlands Airport as I did on Tuesday for example, typically I see two or three freight aircraft on the tarmac. When the stuff that Amazon pushes through my door arrives, usually it's come from China, probably by air. But sea transport apparently causes nearly as much CO2 emission as aviation.
In any case some people travel by air a few times a month. Some people have their own planes so I honestly wouldn't give a second thought to going on holiday to Europe once or twice a year.
Just googled this:
https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-from-transport
Interesting. I opened Flightradar24 and selected a few random larger jets. More often than not passenger aircraft (one Nippon Cargo) in my quick search. I take a couple of valuable lessons from those figures though. Be more vigilant when buying online or preferably buy from a store and collect myself. It also has to be said that the UK importing as much as possible from Europe rather than further afield seems logical, but that's a completely different can of worms.
Quote from: Matt2112 on July 27, 2023, 10:47:32 AMMy emphasis:
Quoteour chosen means of transport, flying, incrementally wrecks the climates, prospects and lives of the places being flown to.
Bizarre take. Not flying wrecks the prospects and lives of the places being flown to - countless folk trying make a living in tourist destinations depend on the travel and tourism industry to keep them from falling into poverty. Whatever happened to the"Make Poverty History" narrative of the finger-wagging far left? It's been supplanted by the Current Thing.
Trouble is, people don't tend to holiday in the true Poverty parts of the world, not even Grauniad readers.
Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on July 27, 2023, 11:27:18 AMImagine spelling mistakes in BBC captions forty years ago. Heads would have rolled.
Don't get me going on that!
The Beeb are always banging on about "Fact Checking" and "BBC Verify" yet they can't even proof-read their website articles or TV captions. I quite often see headlines on their website which are so badly worded that they mean the opposite of what they want to say.
Still, at least from watching Countryfile that it is a nailed on FACT that our seasons are all going to be warmer and summers drier. FAKT.
Oil protestors stop Tesla at petrol station ;D ???
https://www.facebook.com/scheifferbates/videos/1322937771962054/
Maui fires. Obviously climate change got the blame. Well, it's possible(?)that it was partly down to negligence.
There's a lawsuit against the power company who ignored warnings to shut down the power lines as a hurricane tore into the island. Apparently the fires were started by sparks from power lines. Additionally, reservoirs were not maintained full, recommendations to thin tinder-dry, non-native grass was ignored and evacuation sirens were not employed for fear of driving people towards the flames.
Like most catastrophes, it could well have been an unlucky combination of a number of human errors, plus a couple of natural ones, that proved disastrous. Unlikely to hear any of the former discussed on MSM.
;D ;D ;D
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/charging-an-electric-car-is-now-more-expensive-than-petrol/ar-AA1cFVMQ
Turns out more old, polluting vehicles are exported to poor countries than are scrapped.
As we did with emissions from manufacturing, we are doing the same by exporting vehicle emissions to some of the poorest countries most affected by changes in the climate.
What a racket
Interesting view from Jacob
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-13239459/Smart-meters-faulty-Britain-gas-electricity-bills.html
;D ;D ;D
Not much that Bridgen says is true these days, but I didn't bother to check.
COP29 CEO caught promoting fossil fuel deals
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crmzvdn9e18o.amp
::)
That's awful, but a science denier is about to assume the role of President of the United States. That's this week's big climate news.
::)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14127235/Ministers-bow-pressure-ease-electric-vehicle-targets-manufacturers-issued-dire-warnings-job-losses-lost-investment.html
No comfort for the 1100 losing their jobs in Luton, of course
Coldplay boast that they've cut their "world tour greenhouse gas emissions" by 59%.
However, a study has revealed Coldplay fans travelled a staggering 18.8 million miles to see the band in concert.
What an absolute load of nonsense this all is.
Quote from: David L on January 03, 2025, 05:50:10 PMColdplay boast that they've cut their "world tour greenhouse gas emissions" by 59%.
However, a study has revealed Coldplay fans travelled a staggering 18.8 million miles to see the band in concert.
What an absolute load of nonsense this all is.
I think it's best they call it a day, for all of us.
Quote from: Thenop on January 03, 2025, 05:51:17 PMQuote from: David L on January 03, 2025, 05:50:10 PMColdplay boast that they've cut their "world tour greenhouse gas emissions" by 59%.
However, a study has revealed Coldplay fans travelled a staggering 18.8 million miles to see the band in concert.
What an absolute load of nonsense this all is.
I think it's best they call it a day, for all of us.
;D
Quote from: David L on January 03, 2025, 05:50:10 PMColdplay boast that they've cut their "world tour greenhouse gas emissions" by 59%.
However, a study has revealed Coldplay fans travelled a staggering 18.8 million miles to see the band in concert.
What an absolute load of nonsense this all is.
I agree with Coldplay's initiative being ultimately pointless, but it could be said that it has at least raised awareness of the problem.
We live in an extremely energy-rich environment. I've just spent some time idly googling statistics - humankind generates about 1.4 exajoules of energy every day from fossil fuel.
But we get 10,000 times that amount of energy from the Sun every day.
If 80% of the Sahara was covered in solar panels, humanity could generate about 170 exajoules of energy every day, even at 20% efficiency. Then there's wind power, wave power, hydropower, geothermal and a few other potential sources.
We've just got to stop digging our energy out of the ground and cooking ourselves.
A family acquaintance is just back from a last minute trip to Dubai as her grandchild's nanny was unexpectedly indisposed over Christmas. I don't know how many times she's been there over the past twelve months. As much as I admire the sight of the A380 overhead and laugh as our daft dog chases it, I wouldn't care if they had to scrap them all and recycle them as wind turbines. Stuff the loss to the economies concerned and to the huge hole being left in people's lives at not being able to selfishly nip to Prague on a stag or hen do. Byres Rd was fine for us in our twenties. At the very least air travel should be rationed to a certain limit of miles per person per year. If you're wealthy enough you could still flout the rules by paying extra tax to fund carbon storage (if that even really works).
Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on January 03, 2025, 08:28:40 PMA family acquaintance is just back from a last minute trip to Dubai as her grandchild's nanny was unexpectedly indisposed over Christmas. I don't know how many times she's been there over the past twelve months. As much as I admire the sight of the A380 overhead and laugh as our daft dog chases it, I wouldn't care if they had to scrap them all and recycle them as wind turbines. Stuff the loss to the economies concerned and to the huge hole being left in people's lives at not being able to selfishly nip to Prague on a stag or hen do. Byres Rd was fine for us in our twenties. At the very least air travel should be rationed to a certain limit of miles per person per year. If you're wealthy enough you could still flout the rules by paying extra tax to fund carbon storage (if that even really works).
When you were in your twenties and making do with Byres Rd for stag do's, many relied on their employment in factories, shops and coal mines to survive. Nowadays many people put food on the table by working in tourism and the travel industry.
And if it is decided that we should limit air travel, let's see that limit initially imposed on celebrities, sports teams, royalty, politicians, David Attenborough, Greta Thunberg, Emma Thompson et al, to set an example.
Quote from: Slim on January 03, 2025, 08:02:47 PMIf 80% of the Sahara was covered in solar panels, humanity could generate about 170 exajoules of energy every day, even at 20% efficiency. Then there's wind power, wave power, hydropower, geothermal and a few other potential sources.
We've just got to stop digging our energy out of the ground and cooking ourselves.
'Make China great again'
Quote from: David L on January 04, 2025, 12:16:49 AMQuote from: The Picnic Wasp on January 03, 2025, 08:28:40 PMA family acquaintance is just back from a last minute trip to Dubai as her grandchild's nanny was unexpectedly indisposed over Christmas. I don't know how many times she's been there over the past twelve months. As much as I admire the sight of the A380 overhead and laugh as our daft dog chases it, I wouldn't care if they had to scrap them all and recycle them as wind turbines. Stuff the loss to the economies concerned and to the huge hole being left in people's lives at not being able to selfishly nip to Prague on a stag or hen do. Byres Rd was fine for us in our twenties. At the very least air travel should be rationed to a certain limit of miles per person per year. If you're wealthy enough you could still flout the rules by paying extra tax to fund carbon storage (if that even really works).
When you were in your twenties and making do with Byres Rd for stag do's, many relied on their employment in factories, shops and coal mines to survive. Nowadays many people put food on the table by working in tourism and the travel industry.
And if it is decided that we should limit air travel, let's see that limit initially imposed on celebrities, sports teams, royalty, politicians, David Attenborough, Greta Thunberg, Emma Thompson et al, to set an example.
Great suggestion. I don't really care who it restricts as it really all stems from the artificial, doomed success which surrounds. Nearly all the so-called growth we're exposed to is about to implode in a more violent way than any generation has ever experienced. No matter how much lipstick we apply to this pig as we polish its faecal matter, it can't be sustained. Mankind really doesn't have a clue how bad things are going to get but the warning signals look pretty bad.
Quote from: David L on January 04, 2025, 12:21:00 AMQuote from: Slim on January 03, 2025, 08:02:47 PMIf 80% of the Sahara was covered in solar panels, humanity could generate about 170 exajoules of energy every day, even at 20% efficiency. Then there's wind power, wave power, hydropower, geothermal and a few other potential sources.
We've just got to stop digging our energy out of the ground and cooking ourselves.
'Make China great again'
I'm using the "humanity" we there.
Quote from: Slim on January 04, 2025, 10:34:52 AMQuote from: David L on January 04, 2025, 12:21:00 AMQuote from: Slim on January 03, 2025, 08:02:47 PMIf 80% of the Sahara was covered in solar panels, humanity could generate about 170 exajoules of energy every day, even at 20% efficiency. Then there's wind power, wave power, hydropower, geothermal and a few other potential sources.
We've just got to stop digging our energy out of the ground and cooking ourselves.
'Make China great again'
I'm using the "humanity" we there.
Of course you are but it's all hypothesis. How many years to reverse China's dominance of the global solar panel industry? If you're serious, I'm guessing, too many.
Quote from: Slim on January 03, 2025, 08:02:47 PMWe've just got to stop digging our energy out of the ground and cooking ourselves.
I agree with that aim and I think most would. However, in the real world the UK's self-flagellation looks increasingly non-sensical.
To compromise people's ability to effectively heat their homes for a reasonable cost seems not to be the way to ensure this aim is met. Make the technology competitive and it will surely be adopted. Green subsidies that result in ever-increasing energy bills is not the way forward IMHO.
Quote from: The Picnic Wasp on January 03, 2025, 08:28:40 PMA family acquaintance is just back from a last minute trip to Dubai as her grandchild's nanny was unexpectedly indisposed over Christmas. I don't know how many times she's been there over the past twelve months. As much as I admire the sight of the A380 overhead and laugh as our daft dog chases it, I wouldn't care if they had to scrap them all and recycle them as wind turbines. Stuff the loss to the economies concerned and to the huge hole being left in people's lives at not being able to selfishly nip to Prague on a stag or hen do.
Wow. There seems to be a huge amount of ire there for something that accounts for about 3% of emissions. And is taxed up the arse for it - which most folk gladly pay.
Are you aware of the measures to make aviation net zero within three decades? A lot of the funding for that in Europe comes from the €2.25 trillion per annum generated by tourism; but no, let's swipe all that, and the near £250 billion contributed to the U.K. economy, and cause mass penury and dereliction to millions of people in tourist-dependent areas because we should stick it to Prague stag parties?
Maybe stag parties using Amsterdam Schiphol are okay, since that is already a net-zero airport, despite being one of the largest and busiest airports in all of Europe?
I get the impression you think air travellers should somehow pay for their actions and compensate for any "damage" they're perceived to be causing - well, they
are doing, in cold, hard levies.
Quote from: David L on January 04, 2025, 10:37:49 AMOf course you are but it's all hypothesis. How many years to reverse China's dominance of the global solar panel industry? If you're serious, I'm guessing, too many.
Oh I see. I thought you meant that if the West were to give up on fossil fuel, we'd be handing an advantage to the Chinese.
The thing is - we don't really have a choice. The stuff is going to get harder and harder to get out of the ground. Even the uranium used for nuclear power is going to run out one day. And for as long as we burn gas and oil, we're edging closer to a climate catastrophe.
We don't
have to rely on China for solar technology, we can invest in manufacturing it in the West.
Quote from: Matt2112 on January 04, 2025, 03:22:26 PMQuote from: The Picnic Wasp on January 03, 2025, 08:28:40 PMA family acquaintance is just back from a last minute trip to Dubai as her grandchild's nanny was unexpectedly indisposed over Christmas. I don't know how many times she's been there over the past twelve months. As much as I admire the sight of the A380 overhead and laugh as our daft dog chases it, I wouldn't care if they had to scrap them all and recycle them as wind turbines. Stuff the loss to the economies concerned and to the huge hole being left in people's lives at not being able to selfishly nip to Prague on a stag or hen do.
Wow. There seems to be a huge amount of ire there for something that accounts for about 3% of emissions. And is taxed up the arse for it - which most folk gladly pay.
Are you aware of the measures to make aviation net zero within three decades? A lot of the funding for that in Europe comes from the €2.25 trillion per annum generated by tourism; but no, let's swipe all that, and the near £250 billion contributed to the U.K. economy, and cause mass penury and dereliction to millions of people in tourist-dependent areas because we should stick it to Prague stag parties?
Maybe stag parties using Amsterdam Schiphol are okay, since that is already a net-zero airport, despite being one of the largest and busiest airports in all of Europe?
I get the impression you think air travellers should somehow pay for their actions and compensate for any "damage" they're perceived to be causing - well, they are doing, in cold, hard levies.
Matt, you're clearly a highly intelligent guy and probably more so than me, but I don't believe any of these figures. You're perfectly entitled to think the opposite and lead your life as you see fit. There doesn't seem to be any likelihood that every gramme or millilitre of coal, gas or oil won't be extracted and burned at some stage so we will eventually reach a point where we know the result of our actions. I'm at an age where I shouldn't really care especially as I don't have children but my heart tells me this behaviour and lifestyle is wrong either logically or morally. Every time I burn a log on the wood burner I absolutely know that my conscience isn't clear as I know there isn't really someone out there ensuring every burnt tree is replaced to capture that CO2. The internet, supermarkets and garden centres are full to bursting with firewood. These suppliers are here today, gone tomorrow. It's just a minuscule representation of how commerce works. Find a demand, satisfy it and governments will find a way to massage figures into acceptability. I believe in the actual science, not the sanitized version we get fed. As for ire, I would just replace that word with sorrow.
Quote from: Slim on January 04, 2025, 04:12:32 PMQuote from: David L on January 04, 2025, 10:37:49 AMOf course you are but it's all hypothesis. How many years to reverse China's dominance of the global solar panel industry? If you're serious, I'm guessing, too many.
Oh I see. I thought you meant that if the West were to give up on fossil fuel, we'd be handing an advantage to the Chinese.
The thing is - we don't really have a choice. The stuff is going to get harder and harder to get out of the ground. Even the uranium used for nuclear power is going to run out one day. And for as long as we burn gas and oil, we're edging closer to a climate catastrophe.
We don't have to rely on China for solar technology, we can invest in manufacturing it in the West.
And which government are you going to rely on to do that? ;D
Is this the future...
(https://i.imgur.com/v23FY9Z.png)
And I think we need to rethink our net zero strategy...
(https://i.imgur.com/ub9p8tK.jpg)
OK so let's say that figure for China is 12 billion tons. Based on the graph the UK figure is about 0.3 tons.
But adjusting for population, the UK figure would be about half the China figure - very roughly.
Worth considering as well that the UK imports loads of stuff made using Chinese energy, so some of the China figure is a sort of UK figure by proxy.
That said - in the end, there's not much we can do in the UK that will have much of an impact so I agree, there's no point hurting ourselves. Not saying we shouldn't do anything but extreme measures are inappropriate.
Get ready for the New Normal.
Swiss voters reject green overhaul of the economy:
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-politics/swiss-voters-skeptical-about-ecological-overhaul-of-the-economy/88836726
I think that a wholesale overhaul of energy generation / consumption, at this moment in time, as in "the country would have had to decrease its per capita carbon footprint by over 90%" is just not going to fly anywhere.
BP announces a change of strategy after profit performance falls compared to sector rivals. 2025 will now see an increase in fossil fuel production.
When will they learn? Go woke, go broke ;D
I don't see renewable energy investment as "woke" because clearly it's an investment for the future, and in a less harmful means of generating energy.
So clearly this is bad news, but given the financial realities, sadly inevitable.
Quote from: Slim on February 26, 2025, 01:52:37 PMI don't see renewable energy investment as "woke" because clearly it's an investment for the future, and in a less harmful means of generating energy.
So clearly this is bad news, but given the financial realities, sadly inevitable.
I wonder if Ed Miliband has ever come across the term "financial realities"?
Sabine is exploiting the tin foil community for money. She's a disgrace.
Sabine Hossenfelder Can't Stop Acting Like a Complete Fraud
F**kin' funny though
Interesting discussion on the recent power outage debacle in Spain/Portugal/France. Will we ever fully know the cause?
Surprise, surprise! ::)
https://chinaobservers.eu/china-holds-a-kill-switch-to-european-power-grids/
Quote from: David L on May 18, 2025, 12:59:26 PMSurprise, surprise! ::)
https://chinaobservers.eu/china-holds-a-kill-switch-to-european-power-grids/
There's a lot to unpack in that one. How much of the solar infrastructure has these Chinese management systems on them? What would it take to override them? (probably not hard at all, they are in essence simple devices). Are the servers really in China? What level of control does the management software have anyway?
From a technical perspective - actually having a control function hosted offsite, in another continent no less is a really questionable design feature and I'm inclined to suspect that it's just software updates, possibly performance reports and so on that are hosted abroad. Might be possible for diagnostics to be run from China, or through their servers. But full-on control, including on/off? I just have a feeling that a technology-illiterate journalist has done the 2+2 thing and come up with 5.
Quote from: Slim on May 19, 2025, 12:28:32 AMQuote from: David L on May 18, 2025, 12:59:26 PMSurprise, surprise! ::)
https://chinaobservers.eu/china-holds-a-kill-switch-to-european-power-grids/
There's a lot to unpack in that one. How much of the solar infrastructure has these Chinese management systems on them? What would it take to override them? (probably not hard at all, they are in essence simple devices). Are the servers really in China? What level of control does the management software have anyway?
From a technical perspective - actually having a control function hosted offsite, in another continent no less is a really questionable design feature and I'm inclined to suspect that it's just software updates, possibly performance reports and so on that are hosted abroad. Might be possible for diagnostics to be run from China, or through their servers. But full-on control, including on/off? I just have a feeling that a technology-illiterate journalist has done the 2+2 thing and come up with 5.
I can't tell you how happy I am to read this reply.
ERIKA LANGEROVÁ
Erika Langerová is the Head of Cybersecurity Research at CTU UCEEB. Her research focuses on securing distributed energy resources, with particular attention to the cyber warfare strategies of China and Russia and their implications for European energy infrastructure. She holds a Master's degree in Engineering from the Czech Technical University in Prague and bases her work on years of hands-on experience as an analyst and software developer for energy resource control systems.
She probably knows a 'little' about the subject (sorry Mr Wasp)
Quote from: David L on May 19, 2025, 09:03:59 AMERIKA LANGEROVÁ
Erika Langerová is the Head of Cybersecurity Research at CTU UCEEB. Her research focuses on securing distributed energy resources, with particular attention to the cyber warfare strategies of China and Russia and their implications for European energy infrastructure. She holds a Master's degree in Engineering from the Czech Technical University in Prague and bases her work on years of hands-on experience as an analyst and software developer for energy resource control systems.
She probably knows a 'little' about the subject (sorry Mr Wasp)
She'll probably be exposed in the Daily Mail quite soon for faking her qualifications and printing her degree certificates at home. These tech savvy types are all the same. My money's still on James😁
https://news.sky.com/story/firefighters-battling-large-blaze-at-recycling-warehouse-in-rushden-13373244
Wasn't recycling supposed to cut pollution? ;D
Drill baby drill!
https://voz.us/en/world/250523/24908/new-zealand-abandons-jacinta-ardern-s-net-zero-emissions-policies.html
Quote from: David L on May 23, 2025, 06:52:04 PMDrill baby drill!
https://voz.us/en/world/250523/24908/new-zealand-abandons-jacinta-ardern-s-net-zero-emissions-policies.html
So there are good arguments for and against, but the consequences of humanity continuing to burn fossil fuels for decades to come are going to be severe.
Did some sums, with the help of https://gemini.google.com.
An A320, as operated by TUI, Jet2 and similar holiday-themed airlines consumes roughly 0.025 litres per km, per passenger.
But a typical large cruise ship as operated by P&O and others uses about 0.05 litres per km, per passenger.
On top of that, the fuel used by a cruise ship (heavy fuel oil) produces a bit more CO2 per litre, and a lot more pollution (particulates etc).
Interestingly a typical family car is similar in fuel efficiency, with three occupants, to a fully loaded A320. About 0.023 litres per km per occupant.
A cruise ship is in a different category from a car or plane though; it's not just transport. It has bars, theatres, a gym, restaurants and swimming pools.
I suppose you could argue though that the family car might be being used for a more worthwhile purpose. Work, appointments etc. Depends how important holidays are in the grand scheme of things. Is there a zero missing from the car figure, or am I just not following the arithmetic correctly?
Thanks for spotting that, yes, a typo. Corrected the original post.
Temperatures in excess of 40 degrees in parts of southern Spain today.
Spanish giant dumps Victoria project as part of "difficult decision" to end offshore wind ambitions across globe - "no longer commercially viable"
Back to the drawing board for this form of renewable energy?
https://reneweconomy.com.au/spanish-giant-dumps-victoria-project-as-part-of-difficult-decision-to-end-offshore-wind-ambitions-across-globe/
https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/cop/hsbc-joins-us-peers-leaving-bank-climate-coalition-2025-07-11/
Milibellend has his head in his hands
Quote from: David L on July 19, 2025, 12:29:20 PMhttps://www.reuters.com/sustainability/cop/hsbc-joins-us-peers-leaving-bank-climate-coalition-2025-07-11/
Probably a commercial reaction to a science-denial government in charge of the US.
I'm not sure that BESS can provide the answer to integrating renewables:
https://www.energy.gov.au/sites/default/files/2024-11/%5BRedacted%5D%20-%20Exposure%20Draft%20Bill%20and%20Rule%20Submission%20-%204.pdf
https://archive.md/Lf8qw
https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2025/09/19/duxbury-residents-speak-out-over-proposed-battery-farm-in-residential-neighborhood/?amp=1#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17584736591704&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com
And relief for the good people of Shepperton.............for the time being anyway:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgrvvnep3zo.amp
The climate change movement has begun to eat itself ;D
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwydll738dxo
Think that renewables will make energy cheaper? ;D
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn40y9yxkgvo
That's why they want us all on smart meters of course.
Quote from: David L on October 28, 2025, 08:08:35 PMThink that renewables will make energy cheaper? ;D
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn40y9yxkgvo
That's why they want us all on smart meters of course.
The problem appears to be a lack of joined up thinking. A problem which much besets the UK.
Quote from: Nickslikk2112 on October 28, 2025, 09:44:58 PMQuote from: David L on October 28, 2025, 08:08:35 PMThink that renewables will make energy cheaper? ;D
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn40y9yxkgvo
That's why they want us all on smart meters of course.
The problem appears to be a lack of joined up thinking. A problem which much besets the UK.
That's clearly not confined to the UK though (the article is about the Netherlands). Most western governments are so in thrall to the eco-zealots that they believe that the consensus among them is enough to be able to dismiss common sense, blinded as they are by their pompous, virtue-signalling ignorance of the technical issues.
Quote from: David L on October 28, 2025, 10:44:21 PMQuote from: Nickslikk2112 on October 28, 2025, 09:44:58 PMQuote from: David L on October 28, 2025, 08:08:35 PMThink that renewables will make energy cheaper? ;D
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn40y9yxkgvo
That's why they want us all on smart meters of course.
The problem appears to be a lack of joined up thinking. A problem which much besets the UK.
That's clearly not confined to the UK though (the article is about the Netherlands). Most western governments are so in thrall to the eco-zealots that they believe that the consensus among them is enough to be able to dismiss common sense, blinded as they are by their pompous, virtue-signalling ignorance of the technical issues.
I'd say this is not down to eco zealots, more the fact that we are consuming more and more electricity - from whatever source - and nobody stops to think as to whether the system can actually provide it.
Quote from: Nickslikk2112 on October 29, 2025, 10:16:58 AMQuote from: David L on October 28, 2025, 10:44:21 PMQuote from: Nickslikk2112 on October 28, 2025, 09:44:58 PMQuote from: David L on October 28, 2025, 08:08:35 PMThink that renewables will make energy cheaper? ;D
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn40y9yxkgvo
That's why they want us all on smart meters of course.
The problem appears to be a lack of joined up thinking. A problem which much besets the UK.
That's clearly not confined to the UK though (the article is about the Netherlands). Most western governments are so in thrall to the eco-zealots that they believe that the consensus among them is enough to be able to dismiss common sense, blinded as they are by their pompous, virtue-signalling ignorance of the technical issues.
I'd say this is not down to eco zealots, more the fact that we are consuming more and more electricity - from whatever source - and nobody stops to think as to whether the system can actually provide it.
I'd have to disagree there. The urgent need to upgrade the infrastructure is mostly due to the transient and unregulated nature of energy provided to the system by renewables.
I would think that domestic power consumption has decreased over the last few decades due to more efficient appliances, lighting and heating systems. Of course, that's not to say that population growth will obviously be a factor.
That's interesting, I would have thought it's increased due to EVs, the increasing prevalence of tech in particular and (in the last year or two) AI based in UK datacentres which uses frightening quantities of juice (as well as an increased population as you say). However:
(https://i.ibb.co/mrKMrtrV/elec.png)
https://chatgpt.com/
Quote from: Slim on October 30, 2025, 04:17:55 PMThat's interesting, I would have thought it's increased due to EVs, the increasing prevalence of tech in particular and (in the last year or two) AI based in UK datacentres which uses frightening quantities of juice
I guess you didn't read the BBC story from the link I posted:
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"Nowadays we're switching to renewables, and that means there's a lot of power being injected into the grid in the outskirts of the network where there are only relatively small power lines."
And these small power lines are struggling to cope with all the electricity coming in from wind turbines and solar panels scattered around the country. "We have an enormous amount of solar panels being installed, and they are installed at a rate that is much, much too high for the grid to be able to accommodate."It referred to The Netherlands.
From the BBC website, of all places ;D
'Amazon forest felled to build road for climate summit'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9vy191rgn1o
Did a little dive into this and typically domestic solar power systems in the Netherlands do not include batteries. At the beginning of 2024 only 4% of solar power systems included a battery. This is because the state was very generous in the rates it paid individuals for feeding electricity back to the grid. Reducing the money paid to users for sending electricity to the grid allied to an incentive to purchase a 5 or 10kw battery should help to reduce some of the strain on the Dutch grid
Japan has unveiled its first hydrogen-powered train from East Japan Railway Company (JR East), developed with Toyota Motor Corporation and Hitachi Ltd., marking a major step toward sustainable transportation.
Unlike diesel engines, this train runs on electricity generated from hydrogen fuel cells and emits only water vapor — effectively eliminating carbon dioxide emissions along its route.
Hydrogen trains like this are well-suited for both rural and urban lines, offering a cleaner, quieter solution that aligns with Japan's goal of decarbonizing mobility by 2050.
With this innovation, Japan signals a shift from conventional fossil-fuel transport to an era of active clean mobility — where trains, buses and even ships may one day harvest hydrogen for emission-free travel.
Source: East Japan Railway Company / Toyota Motor Corp. / Hitachi Ltd.,
That's good but I remember watching a video about hydrogen fuel cells a couple of years ago. At the moment the hydrogen is mostly made from fossil methane in a process that gives off a lot of CO2 (comparable to petrol for the same energy). So even though you may not get "carbon emissions along its route" the bad stuff goes into the atmosphere somewhere else.
It's possible to make hydrogen from sunlight and water, but it's several times more expensive per kg still at the moment.
BESS gone wrong in Australia
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/waratahs-1-billion-super-battery-failure-throws-coaltorenewables-transition-into-disarray-experts-warn/news-story/a63cfd25482854693314b57dffec47d4